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I say you can delete pings that are bolded because they break the general rules that apply to everybody.

However, you should never delete any pings because you find them offensive. That criteria is vague and sets a precedence of censorship that will water down PPS's appeal overall.

As for the spoof site, well, take it all in good fun. It's part and parcel of the health hazards of being a famous blogger ;)

it's rather entertaining actually.. to see someone parody of somebody's else blog. but do respect kahsoon's decision and i guess it should be removed :)

i think we should listen to the victim and get the parody site deleted... it is funny when happened to others, but not very funny if it happened to us... ;)

There's nothing nice about the faker's blog. Ban it. Slam the gates shut and let loose the dogs.

(Frankly, I'm surprised it took so long for someone to put the foot down when it came to Real Kahsoon's PPS-flooding habit)

Suresh: Sorry, perhaps i was unclear, what i meant by "offensive" was that the pings had no value whatsoever except to slander and slag-off Kahsoon -- they were not even valid URLs. I deem such a case as abuse of the pinger and thus the ping was deleted.

There have only been a handful of times pings have been removed by me over the years, and most fall within this category.

Dear Aizuddin,

If you want to ban ka-soons from PPS, it is fine. But you will also have to ban kahsoon. He is flooding PPS with his pings and look at his posts! All meaningless and just copy-and-paste jobs! We are only expressing our frustration.

If he continues to spam PPS, we will continue to parody him. We will stop if he stops. Fair and square.

Tenkiu.

Sotong: Just because a blog is not nice, doesn't mean it should be banned from PPS. "Nice" or "not nice" is a subjective term, and PPS will not be a judge of content.

Ka-soons: Kahsoon (the real one) is quite...ah... a prolific blogger. He posts a lot of articles on his blog, thus a lot of pings. I've analysed his ping distribution, and they normally come all at once during a short period of the day (suggesting he does all his blogging in that one period of the day). Yes, it may look strange to see 5-10 pings in a row from him, but as you well know, PPS refreshes very quickly so his pings are pushed to the bottom in no time at all.

"You ping PPS too often" -- is not a reason to ask someone to stop.

On the value of his content: again, PPS' policy is not to make judgement calls on content so i won't comment on how he runs his blog.

I quote paultan.org extracted from Malaysiabloggers forum

"to be fair, most of kahsoons posts have been copied off other places too. so it's a copy of a copy. lol."

So, please pounder on that for a while, im not siding anyone here but how can we say he copied kahsoon since kahsoon is not even the original? pathetic isnt it ? juz my two cents

Ka-soons:

Kahsoon's only mistake was his over-enthusiasm. If you find his constant pings offensive, mail Aiz and let him deal with it. It's much easier than your painstaking efforts to shame him away from PPS entirely.

He is spamming PPS too much, not pinging. As bloggers we should be shameful of the posts kahsoon has made. Copy and pasting images and one-liners.

What kinda blog is that? That is not even a blog. A weblog (according to dictionary.com) is an online diary; a personal chronological log of thoughts published on a Web page. So what category does kahsoon's page falls into?

Kahsoon spams PPS so much real blog pings don't stay for long on PPS. He does all his blogging in one period of the day, EVERYDAY. Thus the flooding and spamming.

Please make a fair decision, Aiz. Do not disappoint us.

I suggest letting that one ping stay, but if the attacks start getting malicious, THEN ban it.

but come on lar, we all get parodised, and slagged al lthe time. look at the I hate Xiaxue/minishorts comments/posts. you can't stop it.

PPS shouldn't control what people write/ping, but if someone can come up with somethinglike THAT about Kahsoon, maybe he DOES have a point.

and maybe, just MAYBE, he is not the only person who feels that way about kahsoon.

By banning/stopping the parody, you're actually practising what bloggers have been fighting AGAINST for so hard - censorship, and restricting the freedom to blog what you want.

if you ban ONE flaming/parody, you might as well ban every single blog that says any blogger is bad/lousy/irritating.

I remember clicking on one of the pings and it was a valid url. Anyway, I agree with Suresh that you can delete posts that violate the general rules. However, I don't think there's a need to ban the spoof site. It is kind of funny and things like that are bound to happen anyway, how many sites can PPS ban? Freedom of expression is what attracts bloggers to blogging in the very first place, why put in place any form of "censorship"? Next, instead of looking that ka-soons' pings as an attempt to slander kah soon, why not think of why anyone would want to do that in the first place.

Just my 2 cents.

Giant Sotong : Only mistake? Please go over to his blog and see what kinda "blogging" has he done. Everyday we visit PPS just to read interesting blogs. And by labelling his own blog as INTERESTING STUFF doesn't mean his blog is INTERESTING! :)

i say let the parody blog stay. and if the real KahSoon wants to ping that many times to PPS, also boleh. it's his right. it's up to us bloggers whether we wanna visit both the sites. my two kupang ;)

Come to think of it... Kahsoon isn't the only one guilty of over-enthusiasm. If you notice, Nilesh Babu is too.

I'm not Kahsoon's biggest fan, but Aizuddin does have a point. Whether a blog is good or bad is not for us to judge.

I guess that means we just need to outping each other.

Kenny : and kahsoon is outpinging everyone else. our new posts go off the list soon. it's like not pinging pps at all.

i say keep the parody blog.

i like variety.

Aiz, your quote "Yes, it may look strange to see 5-10 pings in a row from him, but as you well know, PPS refreshes very quickly so his pings are pushed to the bottom in no time at all."

With those numbers of pinging from a single person, our pings are also being pushed to the bottom in no time at all. Now u see it, now u dont. Do realised that? If u have multiples pinging to do (more than 3), be considerate a bit lor, give & take ok? Ping once with a valid URL. From that page, let ppl know what updates you have done & hyper link it lor.

Ka-soons, your quote "...look at his posts! All meaningless" "... If he continues to spam PPS, we will continue to parody him."

Dont u think, what u r doing is also spaming?

In general, I think if ur blog/site is good, ppl will sure come back again. Huge volume of pingings wouldn't help much to surge your traffic.

One shouldn't ban a person's pinging from PPS whether its content make sense or not, copy paste or not, lewd or not. If u do that, the question of 'blog freedom' will arise. Solved another problem, create another one?

"Suresh: Sorry, perhaps i was unclear, what i meant by "offensive" was that the pings had no value whatsoever except to slander and slag-off Kahsoon -- they were not even valid URLs. I deem such a case as abuse of the pinger and thus the ping was deleted.

What benchmark do we use to decide if pings have value?

I don't think the reason why that website was set up was to cause direct harm. It was to parody a direct pinging pattern that Kahsoon is famous for and that irritated some people. So they/it made a parody of it.

PPS acts as a common carrier. And it's wonderful that it has thus far behaved that way. As with all common carriers you get all types of characters, spoofs included.

I say no ban. Kah-soons should stay and be allowed to ping as usual.

Joe : If he stops, we will stop. Simple as that.

YAR! if Kahsoon can ping 10-20 times a day why you wanna stop others from doing so ? unless he got spesel treatment from PPS la! .... Kahsoon is copy n paste .... Ka-soons also copy n paste where got break rules ???

I say NO BAN TOO!!! maybe in time Ka-soons will be even better than Kahsoon !!!!

My vote : What Kah Soon is doing is NOT wrong. He PING, I PING, you PING, we PING, sama-sama PING.

And if that other Ka Soon has no life and hope to wipe out Kah Soon doing what he is doing, then spend donkey years copying Kah Soon and PING lor. But if the other Ka Soon is serious, reveal your identity, we can have a good debate over this.

I too PING something like 8 postings on a lazy day. So what?

K-S: Stop spamming or stop pinging? ...or maybe stop blogging altogether?

- No pings stay on PPS forever.

- Not everyone finds Kahsoon's posts interesting.

- Being outpingged doesn't mean our blog won't be read (and why should that matter?).

You don't have to take it so seriously, you know. Neither are you making a difference with your tit-for-tat pinging. If we can shrug it off, why can't you?

lilian : kahsoon pings many times a day. you ping many times a day. but we are pissed at kahsoon, not you. why? because your articles are originally written, and every content is really interesting, unlike kahsoon who I suspect don't need to use his brain during blogging.

Giant Sotong : ka-soons is not only one pissed off blogger. we are a GROUP of bloggers who think kahsoon should be banned/controlled. If kahsoon stops spamming, so do we.

Tenkiu.

IMHO,pinging a few times a day is not the problem,the thing is he pings like 3 consecutive pings at one time,one after another.It's very annonying when you see the top three pings is from the same blog.

And its even more annoying if the pings are pinged over a span of a few minutes.Then you will see his ping,some other blog's ping,his ping,some other blog's ping.

I dont see any valid reasons to ban the parody blog.It's just another blog.

I quote Lilian (5xmom) comment I extracted from Malaysiabloggers forum which is kinda cintradicting with the current view of hers :

"Hahaha, no amount of thing is going to stop kah soon. Frankly, he is one very bull-headed guy (I mean it in a nice way). I had blogged about the matter and yes, he did came by to my blog to laugh over it. I think it is time PPS take some action and play big brother. Give bloggers a limit, like max 3 pings per day or at most 5. Otherwise, what Kah Soon did is not not wrong, except annoying to us only.

And that ka soon's site? Who knows? It may be kahsoon mirroring himself. That guy is capable of doing it. - 5xmom Senior Member"

thought provoking discussion indeed. can we find a middle path somewhere? can we solve this problem by getting to the root of the actual problem? can we be more considerate towards each other. can we all behave like matured adults. we can all stay alive in the pps without the need to out-ping, out-shine, out-blog, out-whatever one another. frankly, nobody's right or wrong here. just a question of common sense and appropriateness. :)

hanyi : there is a middle way. he stops, we stop. then peace and quiet for the whole of blogosphere.

haha ... aiyoh, you monitor this discussion is it? okie ... okie. :)

Mr Wingz sir, I no contradict leh. I said let Kah Soon ping and let Ka-Soon ping and every Kah also ping.

Anyway, I believe the real Chow Kah Soon also have feelings and have considerations. I am sure he will try to cut down his number of PINGS and upgrade his contents. Right, the real Kah Soon? In order to stay as a group, I guess each of us must try to make some changes to accommodate other people's feelings. Now that Kah Soon knows we are not happy with the multiple pings at the same time, probably he will reduce it.

No point dragging this matter so much. Listen to Uncle Hanyi. Or else he brings the chairs and tables and fight like a gangsta. Trust me, Uncle Hanyi can do so. LOL!

Why dont bring Kahsoon in & talk abt tis? Since majority of us feels irk by d continuous multiples pinging, let him suggest what he can do abt it lor.

I say leave the spoof to be. It's a valid blog, isn't it? I mean from what I see on ka-soons.blogspot.com, it's basically the same as what we, the other bloggers do, voice our opinions on topics that we have views on.

there's no smoke without a fire
and the leaves won't sway without a breeze
perhaps there's a reason for the spoof.

One fella 'kacau' another. We shouldn't interfere unless it disturbs us too. If they slag off each other on their blogs okla. PPS like public place what. If you start shouting and screaming in public place what happen. I guess the same should be for PPS. The way I look at it is, everyone has a say[ping] in PPS. Just like in a public place, everyone can talk with each other and tell their story over teh tarik. But once someone screams [ie bold and stuff]and shouts[flooding PPS], without reason, then have to take the appropriate action la. Have to respect the space of others who also blog and want to ping their entry regardless whether it's a 'good' post or 'bad' post.

I have this to say.

Let Ka-soon stay. This is not the first of such "malicious attacks". Only that this is very direct. Take the two good friends MENJ and Rajan, they have been going at each other's post for like ... god knows how long. It's just that they have been more "liberal" in their "attacks".

As for the content of Ka-soon. It is a valid blog. Kah Soon ownself admitted that he copy-n-paste from other soureces. So why ban Ka-soon just because he copy and paste? He did quote the sources too... I think.

So what I suggest is Aiz should ban all the pings that break the general rule (bolding, etc) but do not ban the blog.

I don't think it is right to ban the parody site.
1. If you did, then it set a precedent. Other people that aren't happy with something can asked for a ban and it is bad for PPS and also for everyone else.

2. I think Kahsoon should contact the parody site owner and talk about it instead of asking PPS to help him wipe away his problems.

3. Why must PPS follow Kahsoon's wimp and fancy's? He doesn't own PPS. nor does he has a say in anything on PPS.

4. It is within ones right to open a blog, as long as it doesn't do bodily harm to anyone else.

I say lets just ignore Kahsoon. He is trying to "strong-armed" out of this situation.

This brings to mind a quote: "Siapa yang makan cili, dia yang rasa pedas."

In any case, I am not of the opinion that the parody website should be banned. It works and reads like a blog.

Perhaps rules and guidelines has to be first made clear on when and how a blog could be banned from pinging to PPS.

This issue raises another question though: should there be a limit to the number of pings a PPS user can make in a day (already I'm hearing people screaming "noooooo!")? Because honestly, I doubt anyone could go as far to write ten long blog entries in a day (exception has to be made for those in blogathons, though).

A suggestion to Kahsoon: since the entries are short (after all, they are normally just links to websites), I see no harm in summarising and putting the... 'interesting links' into one page.

If anything, ban "calls for bans" 'cos it undermines the freedom of expression that's so important to each and everyone of us. :P We don't like it when anyone tries to restrict the way we blog and our blog contents, so why do that to anyone else?

Let Kah Soon ping all he wants to ping, let ka-soons and whatever parody blogs continue to ping as well. Both are but blogs with people expressing themselves right?

If you're going to ban Kahsoon or Ka-soon because they are overpinging, then we're going to have a problem. Or at least I'm going to have a problem when we start our blogathons.

Cause we're going to have an extra 48 posts in 24 hours. I don't know how many of you are going to like that.

Assuming that Yvonne and Dustyhawk also doesn't ping on that day. Cause if they do, that will be a combined 144 posts in a period of 24 hours on August 6th. That is a serious problem indeed.

But for the record...I don't care much for Kahsoon or Ka-soon's blogs. I do what I always do, read the ones that interest me. It's just that when their multiple pinging pushes the interesting posts down...that can be a problem.

YP: I disagree with letting kahsoon ping all he wants to ping. There should be some throttling. His ping flooding is deteriorating our PPS experience.

I also agree 100% with whatever kljs said. He took the words right out of my mouth.

If we believe in freedom of expression, I don't think it's right to ban specific blogs / bloggers from pinging PPS.

The only exceptions should be if the pings are invalid, or if the pinger is putting PPS in real trouble with the Sedition Act or any similar legislation.

Paul: According to the stats Aiz mentioned, he only pings during a certain period of the day. So errr.. we accomodate lor. If anyone's concerned with the huge number of KS pings, just avoid reading accessing PPS during that period of time or pinging PPS during that period of time. I'm all for maintaining the freedom to blog and freedom to ping in this case, whether for kaHsoon or ka-soonS.

Avoid reading PPS during times when Kah Soon pings his tsunami pingflood? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

It's only fair that pings should be throttled. After all, even discussion forums have a time period between user's posts enforced to prevent flooding.

No, I don't think that sounds ridiculous.. In fact, I like to think that it's entirely feasible. Come to think of it, let's not have the throttling thing, I personally don't like KS's pings and don't want to see it spread out throughout the entire PPS page when I browse PPS. So errr... yeah, give him the freedom to ping when he wants to.

(Paul, we're going OT dee)

I am merely suggesting a solution which is commonly implemented in almost all web-based applications which involve user submitted content. Throttling is imposing a cooling period, not blocking the pings altogether.

I second the throttling suggestion. 30 minutes between pings should be reasonable, no?

Perhaps a limit to the number of (consecutive?) pings a PPS user can make in an hour, would be a better solution instead.

Gosh, this is beginning to sound like mIRC.

YP: I agree that everyone should be given the freedom to express themselves but there should be some form of control...
and I think paul made a good point : "After all, even discussion forums have a time period between user's posts enforced to prevent flooding."

well, much has been said. if kah soon is reading this, then i hope he takes into consideration what has been said.

in regards to ka-soons, has the group ever emailed kahsoon on this matter before making a parody blog? but i must say, i enjoyed the parody blog! (shame on me).

we should also consider what if more ping-ping-ping copycats surface in the future and fellas who just pseudo-blog for adsense. what can we do? it will just be a matter of time...

and yeah, 30 minutes sounds fair

Different people have different styles when it comes to blogging. Some people like to have 3 posts a day, spread over the entire day. Other people have 3 posts a week, all on the same day, within the same half hour. What wrong did the latter do that actually warrant the constrain put on them? The throttling time in forums is different in that it's much shorter (less than a minute in most cases, I think) and having a minute limit in between blog pings is well, like not having one at all.

I agree with the ping limit time period. Gives time for people to spread out and to avoid ping abuse.

As I said... it's flooding. That's what warrants the constraints. It's fine if your blogging habit is like that, but don't flood PPS with your pings one after the other.

Even blogs have comment throttling.

I still think throttling should be imposed.

*whisper* are we flooding PPS right now? :P

With regards to the whole throttling idea, I think we have sufficiently expressed our opinions. It's up to Aiz whether he wanna put it in place or not. :)

this is comments box... different :P

It's me again. Sorry for comment whoring.

Let's hear what Kah Soon said :

haha aunty...i wont kill u lar, guess this post is dedicated to me hor =p anyway i ping 10 in a row cos i collected the blog as save draft for the whole morning then i ping in 1 shot ma, just like eating for 10 days and never shit...1 shot shit finish haha...feel so shiok.

Anyway sorry for making PPS hang just because of my ping. Actually it is not easy for me to so call "copy paste" information....cos i need to search high and low...read every single thing and every post i comment my own opinion. Trust me...it is not easy to find interesting stuff and satisfy my reader. Well anyway im seeing some bloggers trying to re-re-duplicate my content lol

Posted by: kahsoon at July 6, 2005 05:40 PM

This is comment is left by Kah Soon in my blog where I perli at his constant ping-ing
http://chanlilian.net/archives/2005/07/why_ping_pps_1.html#comments

So, unless and until PPS site has the ability to control/monitor the pings, it is futile to talk. Kah Soon has his reasons and so is ka soon.

Tell u what aunty...i will save draft my posts until 100 post. then 1 shot kau kau post all. See fun onot haha...then that time i own PPS muahahah. I can tell u that i will be femes until everyone want to link to me hahah....its not impossible to do you know keke...

lol. kahsoon's comment in your post.

2 suggestions ...

1) the parody blog stays, and so does that kahsoon.
2) wipe both of them out from PPS. Ask them whore somewhere else.

I'd personally go for the former...

one has to wonder why kahsoon choose to comment elsewhere and not directly on a post he indirectly started. (meaning this one lah!)

does he know of this page?

Like I said, ever think that Kah Soon DO have feelings? Come on, there are 59 posts here, some slamming him flat. How many people would be stupid enough to jump in and make worse the situation? Only dumb asses would go around trying to defend himself when he doesn't need to. He is right in letting us spraying our saliva. Because the situation will NOT change. He is going to blog, ka soon is going to shadow and the world still revolves. The only hope is Kah Soon will be man enough to take our criticisms and advices and PING less.

BTW, Kenneth, Kah Soon DID NOT CHOOSE to comment elsewhere. Are you trying to say he got no balls? If so, say so.

He commented that on the 6th of July. Long before this happens. Give him a break, ok guys? If you have an issue with Kah Soon go straight to him, tell it to his face. Like what I did. I said it straight to him and he came by to explain to me. Civil.

ok, I apologise. I did not notice that the comment was done on 6th of July. My bad. So sorry.

I quote "ever think that Kah Soon DO have feelings? ". We all have feelings. And so does Ka-Soon. He is just voicing out what some of us do not dare to voice out. That is we are feeling annoyed.

By the way, not all 59 posts were slamming him. Some were supporting him indirectly. IE: YP has voiced out that it should be everyone's freedom to ping whenever and whatever.

Kahsoon's pings are quite annoying too, almost on the verge of spamming. If you take out ka-soon, remove Kahsoon as well. Ta.

this is in reply of 5xmom's repeatingly mentioning n I quote "ever think that Kah Soon DO have feelings?"

May I ask, just bcoz of his feelings 9,999 other Malaysian bloggers must suffers ? why dont we sacrifice him and makes the others 9,999 Malaysian bloggers happy ? that should be the way mah ... majority wins remember ??

Throttle the pings!

i second what wingz said.

"it is not worth it to sacrifice one tree for a whole forest"

eh soli ter-pressed the "POST" button actulee i havent finish one.

Also on 5xmom's comment n i quote "Come on, there are 59 posts here, some slamming him flat. How many people would be stupid enough to jump in and make worse the situation?"

My question : Isnt he the one who is complaining about people parodying him ? he started the question, ka-soons was here and why arent kahsoon here yet ? Why wanna complain then goan hide ? If like that might as well dont complain. 1st ask Aiz to ban ka-soons after all the hoo-haa now diam diam .... so now how to solve this ?

IF he really n i quote you again "Are you trying to say he got no balls? If so, say so." Why bother to complain in the first place ? as if his work are original masterpiece .... *sigh*

-Abis-

I saw this as an issue of whether we wanna ban parody blogs and whether we wanna limit pings, not really as a case of one KS vs the other.

Aunty Lilian, don't get so worked up lah... it's not about Kah Soon, if anyone else is pinging PPS the way he is, others may get upset as well. And.. I think by using our regular nickname/username and posting our points of view on the internet for all to see, we're already telling KS straight, aren't we? No need to send him emails right? (nanti kena say send hatemail how?) Since KS pings PPS so much, I assume (and think some other assume as well) that he'll actually take some time off to read this. :)

Judging from the comments... it's funny that it takes a parody to voice out the concerns of the other bloggers. :)

In any case, now that this issue has been brought up - I hope a solution will be implemented. I support the idea of having a cooling period in between pings.

Because I sure as hell am not looking forward to a day when PPS is full of consecutive pings by the same blogger. We're talking about one blogger now: what happens if there are more than ten bloggers doing the same thing in the future?

With all due respect: letting anyone to continue pinging madly shows that we Malaysians well and truly have a tidak-apa attitude.

A line has to be drawn somewhere.

There is freedom of speech, but freedom to copy and paste while nudging those with real content off the list is not one of them.

But a big no to banning the parody site.

I'd say don't ban the parody site, but I'd like to see a throttle implemented to limit the number of pings one can make, as some bloggers have suggested.

I've always thought that the current ping system was flawed as some bloggers would sometimes blog up to 3 times a day, pushing down other bloggers' pings. What's worst is that by pinging through Blogger.com, any post that one makes is automatically pingged onto the list. So even if one posts something mundane (such as a one-sentence entry) that follows a general blog entry, it would show up on the ping list as well.

welllll...if you start deleting pings that aren't spam, does it just stop there?

I reckon letting us know is enough, and we can refrain from clicking the links :)

As long as it's a PARODY and not an attempt to steal online identity...I mean, it's a low blow and I don't like it, but still.

Irritating seing continous pinging frm same person? May I suggest - only allow 3 continous ping frm same person in PPS. Only allow further pinging after an hour or so. This way, PPS wouldnt be 'flooded' or 'spam'. Will this solve the problem?

Agree with joe. By doin that, people's ping won't get eliminated so soon.

The continuous ping is really not good in the eye of readers. Sometimes, every 10 lines of pings, you will see again the same blog name and the name will be continuing for let say 3-5 lines and then after 10-20 more pings, you will see the same name again. Aren't this too flooding?

About the copy and paste blog, I think that is left to the blogger himself. Just let it be. Be it a whoring blog, a copy cat blog or whatever, so long it does not cause ignorance like pinging continuously.

Just my piece of thoughts.

look Aiz, the whole idea of PPS is to give a 'content of Malaysians being Malaysians'. And in the public pinger page, it is said that 'Project Petaling Street's objective is to be an aggregator of Malaysian blogging content'.

My question is does KS pings represent a form of Malaysian blogging content? On that virtue i think at least the parody site does, very much so.

And if KS's pings fail that test, should we ban it? I doubt PPS should ban anything, since it is against the whole concept of free speech.

I say let the parodies stay. At least they're funny.

Rein in KS. I think the feelings of most of the PPS bloggers are spelt out clearly for him to read here.

Just my 2 sen.

My blog is actually about the same as kahsoon's blog. But honestly I did not copy him, I just want to create a blog to write about the stuffs that I think are amusing/weird/funny...etc ...and share themwith my friends. After all, that's what all of us are doing right? Sharing, and entertaining?

Besides that, I agree with KahSoon...that it's not as easy as copy and paste. We need to search high and low, and I always try to comment about the stuffs I posted as well. Sources are given credits and original links are provided (in my blog).

As mentioned by the fake kahsoon, he's just annoyed by kahsoon pinging PPS repeatly and making other people's pings go unnoticed. What I would suggest is...kahsoon should only ping once in say...an hour's time? or no multiple pings in a row? you guys decide...

Btw, about the meaning of blog...there's no exact definition. It's all up to how u see from different perspectives. The real meaning of blog has evolved...it's not just about writing down the journal of our life..There are tech blogs, joke blogs, comic blogs, photo blogs, story blogs...u name it.

To solve a problem, u need to tackle the root of the problem. Just my 2cents. Sorry if there's any mistake in this comment. Let us all just have fun and not leave an unpleasant atmosphere in PPS...

I agree with the throttling suggestion. Let them ping but not to ban them.
I might be just another copy cat. I ping every post once a time. But I found myself guilty cos some of my posts are not being Malaysian. So let ping for being Malaysia

Took me a while to read all that.

I say the parody blog stays.

Kahsoon should be warned to stop pinging the way he always did.

And maybe set a rule so that pingers can only ping once an hour?

Parady blog or not, it's still a blog and if it conforms to the requirements to ping PPS, I don't see why there is a case to ban it.

I strongly second Paul Tan's throttling suggestion. Flooding gets banned everywhere where the medium is used by a community (irc,forums,etc). It has always been such. And now it should apply to a blog aggregating portal.

How can you all be so mean to Kah Soon? I love his site. Ban the parody site! I have set up a fan shrine for Kah Soon to appreciate his efforts. You can check it out at http://ilovekahsoon.blogspot.com/

Don't worry Kah Soon, I'll always be behind you!

Let's do a compromise, Aizuddin.

We want kahsoon to stop spamming/flooding PPS.

Give us what we want, and you'll never hear from us ever again.

I third Paul's Throttling suggestion !!!!

I share the fake KS's sentiments.
Constant Pinging is unfair to other people.

Majority suggested we have a "time-limit" before we can further PING for the 2nd and 3rd time.

Setting limit is they way forward :)

Imagine this : 10 bloggers pinging 5 Pings each. You get the picture.

However i do find some of the original KS's "post" interesting.

Perhaps a little self control :)

I share the fake KS's sentiments.
Constant Pinging is unfair to other people.

Majority suggested we have a "time-limit" before we can further PING for the 2nd and 3rd time.

Setting limit is they way forward :)

Imagine this : 10 bloggers pinging 5 Pings each. You get the picture.

However i do find some of the original KS's "post" interesting.

Perhaps a little self control :)

I share the fake KS's sentiments.
Constant Pinging is unfair to other people.

Majority suggested we have a "time-limit" before we can further PING for the 2nd and 3rd time.

Setting limit is they way forward :)

Imagine this : 10 bloggers pinging 5 Pings each. You get the picture.

However i do find some of the original KS's "post" interesting.

Perhaps a little self control :)

I go away for a few hours, and... look at this mess.

Do we need a solution?

...Do we have a problem?

This is obviously another blog-to-blog cold war. We should have no part of it. The issue is whether this "war" will take its toll on Aiz (as the moderator and admin), and on PPS as well.

Aiz, if you are committed to PPS as the wholesome, pan-Malaysian blog-tal it is, then you should call the shots on whether the pings violate any rules.

This is not another Rajan-MENJ case. I see this as a brawl between two infuriated children. Let them keep their blogs, and their brawls. We don't need to participate - or even watch.

Giant Sotong if you don't want to participate, why tok so much...

Oh dear, this is funnier than the circus. Full grown men and women putting their two cents. At the rate you are all going, Aiz is going to be very rich soon. With all the dua puluh sen, who needs Google.

ehh dont poop on this party la

Rina its only 2 sen not luapuhsen lol!

giant-sotong - Your remarks are very patronising. Like this sentence:

Aiz, if you are committed to PPS as the wholesome, pan-Malaysian blog-tal it is, then you should call the shots on whether the pings violate any rules.

Come on, as if Aiz needs your direction.

Oh, dua sen is not twenty cents? Sorry, I don't speak Malay.

all kahsoon haters, ping pps 5 times in a row with random links.

all kahsoon lovers, just ignore those 5 pings.

KEKEKEKE
http://www.cashmoneyuploads.com/view/v10477 <-- omg sotong

I don't ping PPS, but I do come around. True enough, Kahsoon does ping-flood. Most of us (I think so) are fine with that since most of us never voice out, until Ka-soons come about.

Everyone writes about something, and everyone writes it in his own way. Some people have their own reasons to copy-and-paste, some others would make it a point to write long essays... so, everyone has their own style.

Now, as for PPS, everyone Ping with titles, blog title and part of the contents. The idea is, don't click blindly. Some subject don't interest me at all, so I don't click on them. It's as simple as that.

Now, if there comes a day when all I see are pings from kahsoon and ka-soons, i'll run through the titles. If nothing interest me, I don't click...

But if I'm frustrated at the fact that Kahsoon and ka-soons are hogging PPS, I'll contact them personally. I don't care if my conversation/email/letter/smoke-letter/etc get published like what happened at minishort, but I did something...

hmmm... i'm just rambling away, and coming from someone who doesn't ping PPS.... [*me running away from flying rotten eggs*]

apcc : Don't be hero lah.

I wonder where Kah Soon is. He seems to have stirred quite a riot here, yet he hasn't shown his face yet.

maybe kahsoon and ka-soons is the same person ??? maybe this is a conspiracy ???!!! maybe hes doing all this for attention ???!!!

Once upon a time...

He is hiding, somewhere. No balls to come out and tell me to stop. All he did was to email Aizuddin when he can tackle this by himself. Yeah, all he needed to do was to stop flooding PPS and that's it.

Oh no.. he chose to run home and cry foul.

didn't you all hear what lilian said?

"Only dumb asses would go around trying to defend himself when he doesn't need to."

He don't want to be dumb ass like me. Kena goreng for stating the obvious.

i was asked to comment.. i dunno. diu. :/

what dumb ass gotta do with blogging ? who blog with their ass one ar ??? LMAO!!

didn't you all hear what lilian said?

"Only dumb asses would go around trying to defend himself when he doesn't need to."

Way to judge people :rolleyes:

Doesn't need to?

:) Maybe not. He can't.

In an effort to curb malicious comment posting by abusive users, I've enabled a feature that requires a weblog commenter to wait a short amount of time before being able to post again. Please try to post your comment again in a short while. Thanks for your patience.

See? Even PPS comments has throttling enabled.

Hurrah for Paul. Are we there yet? :P

Please, try to accomodate each other.

Tak blog maka tak kenal; Tak kenal maka tak fight?

KNN!

Woahhh, when is the party gonna over ah? So long, no conclusion. Anyone injuired here, bleeding perhaps?

huh? injured and bleeding? you serious? i thought everyone is having a good laugh here with clowns like auntie lilian ... hehe :)

no ban.
throttling maybe.
do something quick.

I'm curious about one thing:

Has anyone actually contacted Kahsoon and told him of his/her opinions and perhaps asked him to moderate his pinging?

Or is it just "more fun" to complain publicly and stir up some trouble for him?

The way I see it, everybody's looking at kahsoon.com the website, rather than thinking about Kah Soon the person. So it's easier to disregard the fact that the guy has feelings too and is probably quite upset at the animosity that he's apparently generated here.

Give him a break. Let him know what he's doing wrong, and maybe he'll change it. If he doesn't change, then it may be time to complain to Aiz.

To go behind his back and complain is just pathetic.

On the parody site, as minishorts points out, variety IS the spice of PPS. Let it be...

he has feelings? what about OTHER bloggers in the PPS? many many bloggers have talked to him directly or indirectly through their blogs but he just turned a deaf ear. everyone has been patient because we believe in accommodating one another. but what if your neighbour's dog persistently poo in front of your house after you have spoken, phone and even emailed him?

to be fair, i do enjoy many of kahsoon's "interesting stuff" but i know his blog url and i will go there everytime i needed to be cheered or find something to laugh at. i don't need to constantly shout at me in PPS to go there. heck, let's say you like this mamak stall very much that serve some really good roti canai. but this mamak keep appearing in front of your house, office, etc. and tell you about his stall. trust me, you might have loved the mamak and his prata ... but you will stop going there. see?

any PUBLI amenity should not be HOGGED by anynone ... intentionally or unintentionally. ever wanted to use a public phone urgently and the focker in front keep talking sweet nothings for hours without any sign of stopping and the q is getting longer and longer. same thing with public toilet, etc. see?

let BOTH the real and unreal KS blogs continue. but can we beg the original KS to kesian us all?

hanyi: So you (or someone else) HAVE spoken (or emailed etc) to him about it? (Blogging about it doesn't count - you cannot assume he read that post). Well then, it's time to act on that very Malaysian of strategies: KEMPEN!

Kempen Membanteras Ping Bertubi-Tubi!

OK, the name could use a little work...

sashi sashi ... not me lah. i very shy one. actually, other bloggers did lah. and btw, you always so impulsive one meh? someone said something and you jump up with a placard is it? your reputation not like this one leh. or you not THE sashi? hehe :)

Easy way, once you ping wait 15 min to ping another post. That way canla reduce ping bertubi-tubi. In fact then bloggers doing the blogathon like Edrei can still do the blogathon. Just an idea, though. I don't like censorship, but at the same time, I don't like thuggery where I can mask my blog as a 'parody' just to bring down another blogger no matter how 'bad' that blogger is.

hanyi: You're right. I'm not normally like this. I'm just having a bad day. Besides, I didn't mean it to sound so impulsive. I just meant that people who have a problem with someone should take it up with them personally first before going publicly first. Apologies if I ended up ruffling feathers instead. Speaking of which, I just realised I accidentally pinged PPS with an old post. Damn autopinger! :P

Ahhh, it's called throttling. Heheheh, next time I'll remember to read other comments before posting :P Now I'll go do something useful like fly kite or something.

somehow or other the parody site is better than the real one. I think u should get rid of the real one. the fact that the parody site exists shows how the real kahsoon site has affected the Malaysian blogging culture. setting parameters will only suppress creativity and freedom of expresion. In this case, the parody site, though bad in nature is good publisity for the real Kahsoon site

er.... Aiz... you asked for opinions.. and you got so many...

NOW WHAT?

Take action lar, that's what! :)

I've said it once, I'll say it again: throttle the pings. one ping every 30 minutes. should be reasonable.

It might just make sure that people take longer to come up with their posts, and come up with better ones, instead of my fifteen minutes slap-dash-post-ping kind of typo-riddled posts... :)

I'm not sure about this "9,999 other Malaysian bloggers suffering" or the "one tree and whole forest" argument is technically valid.

I personally don't click either Kahsoon or the spoof because I know what to expect, I'm not interested in those type of posts. And that's not saying it's good, bad right or wrong. Just not my cup of tea. OTOH, there are people who like just this sort of thing. I think this whole issue is extremely subjective. You can't possibly please everyone. While to me, the whole appeal of PPS is its very diversity, I probably read at most, only 10% of PPS pings. Everyone who pings does it in full belief that their post is worth reading, even if the blogger himself is his one and only own reader and fan.

It makes no real difference to me whether my one and only wonderful ping for the day gets pushed down to the bottom of the page by one single pinger or ten others. It gets to the bottom of the heap one way or another, sooner or later. Later is, of course, better but, what the heck, if your ping is all the wonderful, people WILL get around to it, through their RSS feeds, blogrolls, and whatnot. There are some blogs I visit even if they don't ping. This is just my personal opinion, of course. Nice for me, if you agree, just too bad if you don't.

PPS is like any other community; like it or not, "suffering" each other's existence or voice is part of the deal. I for one, am happy to leave it to PPS owner's discretion. And just for the record, I'm quite comfortable with the way Aiz is dealing with things.

Aiz, I don't think it is fair to let kahsoons keep pinging PPS. Again I agree that PPS is not a judge of content. IMHO, this is not censorship but merely an expresion of respect and camarederie amongst bloggers. We should be respecting one another's content without being judgemental.

but then again... after some more thought, could Kah soon please be aware of the grievences of other PPS members who take offence at his posts hogging ping-space.

i think... if kahsoon was quick and concerned enough to alert aiz about how ka-soons was parodying his site, he should also be open enough to leave any comments on his site requesting for something or critising him on something... just leave tthose comments there, instead of deleting them just because they do not appreciate him and his method of blogging.

Will the real the Kahsoon stand up and answer...

Suresh said: "What benchmark do we use to decide if pings have value?"

In this particular case, ka-soons sent over via the pinger "junk" -- the manual pinger fields were filled with a "message" for Kahsoon (almost like a ping-sms):

[sic]"Stop flooding PPS, you idiot, etc, etc." -- something to that effect.

As a link, a URL to Kahsoon's homepage was offered.

I judged such a ping to have "no value" and in clear violation of the spirit of PPS -- i won't allow anyone to use the pinger to send a "personal message" to anyone else, and have it displayed on PPS.

Its fine if you write a blog posting on your blog about your feelings to lambast/lampoon/criticize/comment another blogger's actions and submit the URL to that post via the pinger -- PPS will display that, no worries. But if you do what ka-soons did, then that's not fine.

Pls let me reiterate: PPS does not discriminate content. You can write anything you want on your blog and send a ping of it to PPS; that's fine, PPS will display it. Besi